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Re: The RPF: $cientology's Slave Labor Camp
From: peterschilte@gmail.com (Peter Schilte)
On 13 jul, 11:49, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Juli, 10:04, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13 jul, 08:51, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 Juli, 19:55, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 jul, 19:09, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 Juli, 17:12, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 jul, 15:00, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 jul, 13:17, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Juli, 21:18, "Honest Abe" <freespe...@4ever.net> wrote:
"Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 10 Juli, 21:16, "Honest Abe" <freespe...@4ever.net> wrote:
The facts about their "RPF" prove the egregious hypocrisy in $cientology's
criticism of psychiatry.
From the Usenet archives:
The RPF: $cientology's Slave Labor Camp
In 1974, the blatant breaking of another person's will - "break 'em down,
build 'em back up" - was implemented by Hubbard as an official "Church"
institution: The Rehabilitation Project Force.
It was created nor implemented by him. And you talk about facts?
Please get your facts right FIRST!
RR
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You are claiming that what I have read from several sources is wrong?
Yes, quite so. i.e. according to your conclusion.
What,
then, ARE the facts?
The RPF was established during Flubbard's tenure as Holy Overlord of
$cientology. He was in complete control.
Nonsense, you have no evidence forthat.
If he did not, WHO created the RPF,
Ken Urquhart
and WHY did Flubbard allow it to
continue in operation?
Indeed, that may have been the real name of that person. May be you
are on to something.
INVESTIGATE before you SPOUT! VERIFY the CORRECTNESS of your sources.
Wouldn't it be nice you do the same where psychiatry is concerned....
On topic: You seem to have no other answer than suggesting is was
someone else, maybe even this mysterious doppelganger of Hubbard that
established the RPF.
Where is your verification of the correctness of this claim?
Peter
"Well, how do we know that you are not [a People Pictures">child molester]. You see,
you are quite irrational in your approach. That means that there
would be something you are hiding. This is also actually part of
ordinary psychology."
- Michel Snoeck to Peter Schilte, 19 jan 2008.
Well, it LOOKS like Ken Urquhart did the job, but keep in mind it was
hubbard who was his master and boss. So Urquhart NEVER did this
without approval of his master Hubbard.
You have NOTHING to support this with, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...
And where is your proof good old Hubbard was oblivious about
establishing the RPF? And that Urquhart did it all alone, by himself,
without Hubbard knowing what this " illegitimate child" was doing behind his back?
You really want everybody to believe Hubbard didn't know!?
It is up to you to prove that he did know, but you got nothing. None
of the RPF series issues even carry any Hubbard signature.
So you really want everybody to believe the same poop you believe?
That Hubbard didn't know, let alone approved the establishment of the
RPF?
Is that what scientology does to people? Take away every common
sense?
There is no need to prove Hubbard knew all about it. Using your way of
evaluating things he MUST have known.
Conclusion is justified that it was, in legal terms, Hubbard who
created the RPF, using Urquhart as his tool.
Again, you have nothing...
Elementary, dear Snoecky.
No way Urquhart could have done this without Hubbard's consent.
Prove it. You have NOTHING other than your personal opinion.
No, it is called common sense. You know: What you appear to have not.
Suggesting that it MIGHT have been Hubbard's impostor who created the
RPF is insane.
?? Ken Urquhart did that, make up your mind...
YOU made the suggestion it might not have been Hubbard but his
impostor:
Honest Abe:
"and WHY did Flubbard allow it to
continue in operation?"
You:
"Indeed, that may have been the real name of that person. May be you
are on to something."
You don't understand irony as a response to him using 'Flubbard'.
You know irony? How come you never recognize it when others use it on
you?
You even admitted you believe that Hubbard was replaced by an impostor
in one of Barbara Schwarzes threads.
I don't believe anything.
O yes you do. You believe that I attack Narconon because, as you put
it so nicely, it got my girlfriend out of my control.
You believe Hubbard was oblivious about the RPF. You believe what you
observe although you have proved you are a very poor observer.
Do I need to go on?
Especially when looking at the history of PPF and DPF,
both established by Hubbard around 1969.
The year 1969 is incorrect. EPF came much later also. In addition the
EPF/DPF and RPF are a very different thing, VERY different. There is
NO relation with RPF. Obviously you know nothing about these matters
or what they are for.
I said explicitly "around 1969" as the exact love shack">date is unknown.
It is not unknown. Your error is as well that you place them both in
the same 'around' year. Which is incorrect.
And all we have is your word for it.....
Where did I say it was the exact same year?
I know that DPF and PPF are not the same as RPF, as both were in
their first stage not meant as punishment/correctional measures.
There is no 'first stage', you HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD WHAT EPF AND DPF
WERE FOR. They are NOT related to RPF.
WHAT IS IT YOU SAID? I CAN"T HEAR YOU!
O, and DPF and PPF are related to RPF, as they were both more and more
reformed from a normal training into a punitive measure. From that it
was a small step to establishing the RPF.
That
changed later and finally Ken Urquhart established the new RPF, and
only an idiot could believe he did it without Hubbard's approval.
Excuse me? Only an idiot would make a claim that he can not support BY
ANY MEANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Incorrect. Only an idiot would not see that Hubbard was at all times
in charge establishing the RPF.
You focus too much on paperwork. Try to use more common sense.
Many did things without his personal approval, these things are all
over the place!!!!!
I have only your word for it.....
You have done no research into this.
Incorrect assumption.
You have no
understanding here.
Yep, the old and worn out "you don't understan" again.....
You ONLY spout an opinion WITHOUT ANY GROUND!!!!!!
An opinion? Could be. Without any ground? Are you kidding!?
Provide your evidence, but you have NONE.
You said there is no. How can you ask to provide something that
doesn't exist?
Anyway, you also make several claims without any supporting evidence.
You have none?
But as it is negative to your glorious guru Hubbard, it CAN'T be
true......
So you need a scape goat: Ken Urquhart. How typical.......
You better back up your claim with hard evidence. We know you never
do... so we don't ask for that.
Or else?
Or else we can completely disregard your nonsense... simple as that.
Then why don't you?
Continue making the claim turns you into a manipulator and a spreader
of rumours.
Big words. Can you prove me wrong?
You try to pose some claim as if fact, and show NOTHING to back up
your claim with.
I refuse to do what you demand from others and do not do yourself.
Simple as that.
This very clearly shows your extreme DISHONESTY. You assume a lie
about an other Pictures of People">person and then you HIDE BEHIND THAT!!!!!!!
Really? And what the heck are you talking about? Me, hiding behind a
lie?
Are you going bonkers?
You are just telling fiction stories, you MAKE THINGS
UP.
Nope. As you said yourself: "There is sufficient information on the
internet".
You have STORIES, you have NO hard evidence.
As I said that you said: "There is sufficient information on the
internet".
You are a loon. Provide hard fact or shut up.
Nope. I will not shut up.
And now we are at it: Where the heck doget the idea from that Urquhart
established the RPF without Hubbard's approval?
The burden of proof is entirely upon you. How dare you claim these
things and have NOTHING to support it!!!!! How dare you, you
dishonest manipulator!!!!
Because common sense tells me Hubbard must have known what Ken
Urquhart was doing. Or are you trying to tell everybody that Hubbard
didn't have any control over what was going on? Please, give me break!
Not even you you can be THAT stupid.
Just because he is your precious guru or what? Just because it
shatters your delusional view of Hubbard?
Your usual slander.
Apparently I hit a nerve. The Hubbard nerve, I presume.
Peter
"Well, how do we know that you are not [a child molester]. You see,
you are quite irrational in your approach. That means that there
would be something you are hiding. This is also actually part of
ordinary psychology."
- Michel Snoeck to Peter Schilte, 19 jan 2008.
RR
Peter
"Well, how do we know that you are not [a child molester]. You see,
you are quite irrational in your approach. That means
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Well readers, just go through this response of Sir Peter de Schilte.
It exposes him VERY effectively. THIS is how he goes about things, and
he uses this approach all over the place, including his 'site'.
He is persistently hiding behind justifications, behind assumed
realities, and behind supposed 'common sense' (as he calls it here in
his response).
This individual is, by his displayed behaviour here, dishonest into
the extreme.
RR
And this is your understanding of discussing matters?
LOL!
Peter
"Well, how do we know that you are not [a child molester]. You see,
you are quite irrational in your approach. That means that there
would be something you are hiding. This is also actually part of
ordinary psychology."
- Michel Snoeck to Peter Schilte, 19 jan 2008.
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