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Re: My method against music piracy
From: lcargill99@comcast.net (Les Cargill)
hank alrich wrote:
Les Cargill<lcargill99@comcast.net> wrote:
hank alrich wrote:
Scott Dorsey<kludge@panix.com> wrote:
In article<i63g07$4lf$1@news.albasani.net>,<0junk4me@bellsouth.net> wrote:
On 2010-09-06 kludge@panix.com(ScottDorsey) said:
>Used to be folks in the Brill Building would churn out thousands of
>songs for every one that was recorded. Now nearly everything
>anybody writes is recorded. It's no wonder most of the stuff
>recorded isn't very good.
Would agree, and when you couple that with too many
performers recording self written material who haven't honed
their skills performing live before an audience not a very
good song becomes a not very good production as well. NO
arranger, no producer, no engineer, combined with unrefined
talent equals dreck.
I don't think that has changed. What is different is that back then,
folks would shop their dreck around and nobody would pick it up for
distribution. Today folks put it on the internet and get distribution.
--scott
Excerpt, for the most part, they do no get distro. All they get is
putting it up on the web. That's clued via the ten million songs, most
offered free, that have never been downloaded.
Bo Legg on the pedal steel pages (b0b.com) has suggested gently
in the past that if people want to make music these days, that
there are worse models than the '30s and '40s snake oil* model,
only instead of snake oil, one might consider flour, furniture
or farm products to be flogging.
*not actual snake oil, but a business model based on snake oil
salesmanship from the more distant past. A "you gotta know the
territory" sort of a business model...
King Biscuit Flour Hour, etc.
Worked well at the time, and something similar might work today.
However, there are precious few products of any kind that I would be
willing to flog, and almost none of them are marketed on a scale that
would support the old model.
"Thanks, folks, and now a word from Fire-Eye Development, makers of the
Red-Eye acoustic instrument preamp"...<g>
:)
I think a lot of the people we ... deify these days started off
that way, and it wasn't bad for *them*. Troubadourship might
be where you find it....
It certainly is. For groups like our trio the house concert circuit may
prove helpful. We're not bar music, though if there's room enough, a few
couples will dance to some of the higher energy offerings at our gigs.
Our stuff only makes sense where the listening is pretty good. Listening
clubs are few compared to bars, and their overhead compels them to focus
sensibly on acts that are further up the food chain than we are.
However, we've been going over very well live and that is spurring some
interest from those who like to have thirty or a hundred friends over
for a potluck house party with a concert in it. If we succeed at that
level we'll be able to get into some of the listening clubs and perhaps
onto some festival stages, too.
Right now my pitch to a few promoters of key gigs of a slightly larger
scale is that if they're looking for a really good opening act I have
one.
I think y'all are on to something here.
The world was different when the alternatives were %.50 an
hour pumping gas versus living on a bus. That $.50 an hour
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was inflated much higher by the time I faced that choice.
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I remember living on a bus. That won't work for us now. The cellist is a
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full-time pro in the SF Bay area, which means that so far, every time he
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plays a gig with us he loses money. But he's way into it and feels
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strongly that we have enough potential to grow into something
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financially worthwhile, and so he's willing to make the investment.
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Shaidri's more than full-time managing her older sister's dance studio,
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while sis takes care of a new kiddo and handles a lot of admin off-site.
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We have to line up schedules carefully in order to book gigs. If we were
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to hop on the bus right now stuff would start falling apart all over our
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lives.<g>
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With enough lead time we can work it out, so I'm presently working on
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bookings for spring 2011. We're definitely making progress. Given my age
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who knows what will come of it.
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no telling.
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I dunno. I grew up in the shadow of Cains Ballroom, and even
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played there once, on a Sunday afternoon, opening for ...
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Wishbone Ash. No doubt it was a hard time for Cains, but
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those wall-sized pictures of Bob Wills should have taught me
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something.
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If Wishbone Ash drew a crowd Cain's should have done okay, as long as
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they didn't over-pay the opening act.<g>
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Ah, we had to send the Boy out for extra leaf-springs for the
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wagon to carry all the gold-bars home*. Nah, I don't
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even think we were paid.
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*who is T. Herman Zweibel?
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Cains ran into trouble, and is operated as a semi-public
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place now.
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But back to Bo, maybe these here machines aren't very good
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at generating actual community.
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That's a solid possibility in spite of the fact that although I have
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never seen you I consider you part of my "community".
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Well, likewise.
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I read an article
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this morning that covered a research project looking into how today's
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"digital generation" youngsters feel about community and their friends.
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Turns out that the assumptions of the pundits are amiss. For the most
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part the kids place much higher value on face-to-face personal
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interaction with their friends than they do on any social networking
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site. The exceptions, from another study, are those who are very
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insecure and/or neurotic. Those folks apparently are much more likely to
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become addicted to online "socializing", which relieves them of having
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to deal with real people in person.
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Maybe you had to be there and paying attention.
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Yes, and I think that holds now, too.
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And maybe that's why Hank Williams could make more money in schoolhouses
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than he could on WSM.
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Before Willie Nelson was an international household name he often made
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truckloads of cash playing large rural grange halls, rooms in the middle
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of nowhere from a city slicker's viewpoint, that held as many as a few
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thousand folks. He'd play as a duo with Paul English on drums, they'd
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charge ten bucks at the door, and sell to capacity. Sometimes the take
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was on the order of fifty grand, and on a week night. Thirty-five years
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ago that was pretty good money for a night's work.
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Yep. He used to throw picnics at the Ken Lance Sports arena
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in Ada, but not by the time I got there. This is not an easy
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place to *find* unless yer trying to get there...
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Unless one comes up with an Internet trick that gets millions running to
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YouTube one has to be there paying attention and earning the interest of
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the folks in the room, however many or few. Yes, having the web site is
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important and some social networking is helpful, but it's not the driver
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in general. Good performances generate interest, the interested parties
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hit the web site, they network with their friends, sharing their
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excitement, and some of those friends join them for the next show - and
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so it grows. It's a slow process but it's also a rewarding activity in
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and of itself to put on a good show in any room and have folks leave
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feeling like their lives have been made richer by the experience, and
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talking about you when they head home, hopefully with a CD.
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Les Cargill
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