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Re: Pyro Developers Question.

From: dickburk@ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)



"Lew" <lew1716@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec481232-75a4-4eee-93ec-bbec5eeee1de@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
What about film speed? Are there any fine grain, staining
developers
mixed with phenodone, for example, to give the speed
increase we
experience with xtol?

      I don't know. Imagewise staining is produced by some
phenol type developers as is imagewise tanning. Pyrogallic
acid and Pyrochatichin (there are other spellings) are
formost among the staining developers but hydroquinone can
cause imagewise tanning without the staining. Pyro has been
mixed with other developing agents, particularly Metol, but
that was done beause the two tend to preserve each other and
extend the life of the developer. Curiously much of  the
reseach done on Pyro developers before they were pretty much
supplanted by M-H types was to devise non-staining
developers. The reason is that the stain image affects the
printing density in a way that varies with the spectrum of
the printing illumination and with the spectral sensitivity
of the printing material, plus it can be difficult to
measure because the densitometer used must match the
spectral sensitivity of the printing material. All is much
easier when the image is neutral. You can get some idea of
the increase in effective density for blue-sensitive
materials by looking at the negative though a blue filter.
Its also possible to bleach out the silver image which
leaves only the stain image. That is one way of determining
the effectiveness of a developer in forming a stain image.
     The effect desired by most workers using current
materials is the self-masking effect of the stain image when
used with variable contrast materials. It tends to lower the
contrast of the highlights flattening out the very high
contrast produced by some modern films. In effect it creates
a shoulder on the film characteristic. Might or might not be
desirable and may not be much of an effect on some material.
     Grain is affected by many variables: the activity of
the developer is one, generally less active developers are
less grainy; another factor is the pH of the developer,
higher pH (more alkaline) tends to produce coarser grain;
the presense of halide solvents affects grain somewhat but
not for the reasons popularly supposed. The solvent, sulfite
in most developrs, does not "etch away the grains" but
rather affects the way the crystals grow as they are
developed. Up to a certain point the presense of a solvent
will increase film speed because it makes more development
centers available to the developer. This is one reason that
D-76 has become the reference standard for film speed. When
more solvent is present, or a stronger solvent such as
sodium thiocyanate, is used the film speed goes back down
because the solvent can destroy some of the latent image
centers.
     The total range of speed variation from "normal" type
developers is about 3/4 stop more to 3/4 stop less than
D-76. Some Phenidone developers, notably Xtol, T-Max RS,
Microphen, as examples, increase speed about 3/4 stop. Some
very fine grain developers such as Perceptol and Microdol-X
decrease it about 3/4 stop. About the only developers which
loose more speed than this are the old fashioned
paraphenylenediamine super fine gain developers. A pure PPD
developer (with no other agent added) can loose as much as 5
stops! These developers can also produce severe dichroic fog
on modern films and do not, for the most part, produce any
finer grain than Perceptol or Microdol-X
     In general, film speed and fine grain are not
compatible. Probably the best compromise is Xtol which
yields slightly finer grain and slightly higher speed than
D-76 along with good sharpness and good tonal rendition.
Whatever reliability problems it had in the past seem to
have been cured.

--
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@ix.netcom.com




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