Usenet Newsgroups Re: homosexual Marriage: Who Cares? From: flipper@fish.net (flipper) On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:29:30 -0700, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac.com> wrote: In article <55vg7614ceiuhc5bl4tpe0ver4rfjiuoa3@4ax.com>, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:44:19 -0700, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@mac.com> wrote: What in the decision isn't legally sound? No decision that fails to understand the definition of words can be sound, legally or otherwise. You're kidding, right? Given your propensity to redefine the language for a predetermined purpose you'll have to define all those words before I can make a sound decision on that. To wit, a court decision that applied 14'th amendment protections to cats would be unsound because cats, regardless of how affectionately we may view them, are simply not, by definition, persons. Similarly a 'same hug union', regardless of how affectionately we may view it, is simply not, by definition, a "marriage." (I picked cat and Pictures of People">person merely for the obviousness of it. No 'hidden meaning' implied). I'll note that the wording of Prop 8 suffers the same affliction. But credit where credit's due, the proponents of, so called, " homosexual marriage" have done an excellent job of framing the matter as fete accompli with hardly a soul noticing. Did Loving vs. Virginia "mangle the language"?  Was it "PC gibberish"? You tell me. Just what words do you imagine the court saw fit to redefine against thousand year meaning or oxymoron to invent? Loving changed the definition of marriage in the U.S. That is simply not so. The meaning of marriage was not changed by Loving v. Virginia nor was it changed by the "Racial Integrity Act of 1924" that had prohibited interracial "marriages," just as the prohibition, or not, of possessing marijuana doesn't alter the definition of possession or of marijuana. In fact, you cannot prohibit, or make illegal, a thing, whatever that thing might be, unless you know what the definition of the thing is. The meaning of "marriage" has, on average, always been the union of People Pictures">man and woman, including the well know ramifications of such, and, in fact, it is precisely the well known ramifications of such a relationship that motivated the "Racial Integrity" laws as well as all the other, whether just or unjust, attendant laws; not to mention culture, social morays, religious ceremony, and so on. These things were not whole cloth inventions but, rather, evolved from conditions and behavior, including the ramifications of such, well known long before even recorded history. That is why the word exists: to describe that well known condition and behavior, including the ramifications of such. The word has no meaning and purpose the way you wish to 'redefine' it. Of course it does, your objections not withstanding. Easy enough to solve, if true. Simply write down the meaning and purpose of the 'new' definition.  Loving "changed the definition of marriage" exactly the same way that the Prop. 8 judge's ruling "changed the definition of marriage". Neither changed the definition of marriage and I've told you why, including examples, with no refutation from you other than foot stomping like a child. Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/cyberfiber/cyberfiber.com/hobbies/lib/link.php on line 13 Loving and the Prop 8 ruling changed what was *legal* but not the Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/cyberfiber/cyberfiber.com/hobbies/lib/censor.php on line 11 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/cyberfiber/cyberfiber.com/hobbies/lib/link.php on line 13 definition of marriage. 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