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Re: Ansel Adams Discovery

From: nobody@but.us.chickens (David Nebenzahl)


On 8/9/2010 12:08 PM Kris Baker spake thus:

"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message news:4c604aa8$0$2378$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...
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On 8/9/2010 11:24 AM David Nebenzahl spake thus:

Dust on camera optics, and even for the most part dust elsewhere inside a camera, does *not* leave tell-tale spots on a negative. It's a myth that even very large specks of dirt in a lens somehow show up on a negative; they do not. At worst, they reduce the contrast of the overall image. Spots on negatives come from dust sitting *on the film*. Dust is almost impossible to completely eliminate from a large piece of film (4x5, 5x7 or 8x10 inches). I know; I've tried. And scratches on a large-format negative like this come from handling the film--loading it in the film holder, unloading it and processing it in trays or tanks.

In the interest of accuracy (after all, that's what my whole post was about!), replace "film" with "plate" in the paragraph above, since the negatives in question are glass plates.

I understood it.

You did, but I wonder about the reporter who wrote that story.

I was trying to find the other explanation, that shows the same spots
and scratches on some of the plates, as on Uncle Earl's prints.

One explanation (heard, not read) is that plate photographers used
the same holders over and over, so you could forensically examine
the plates to determine if they all exhibited similar wear marks.

Apparently, the finder never submitted his plates to anyone who was
a photographic expert.

Again, it has *nothing* whatever to do with the film or plate holders, the camera, or anything else other than the film or plate itself.

It's not like firearms, where a bullet can be reliably matched to a gun based on the pattern of scratches left on the bullet from imperfections in the gun barrel.

The film or plate doesn't slide against anything (at least not if the photographer exercises basic care, as one would presume Uncle Ansel would). The film or plate holder merely holds the negative in place, held in place by thin rails at the edges, otherwise not touching it at all. So there's nothing to trace to any film or plate holder.

On the other hand, a particular *negative*--film or glass plate--can rather easily be matched to a particular print or set of prints by matching patterns of imperfections on the negative (dust specks or scratches) to the print. All this takes is a magnifying glass and knowing what to look for. Which is apparently what they did, based on what can be gleaned from that article.

People who write about technical things (I'm referring to newspaper reporters here, not anyone in this newsgroup necessarily) really ought to know *something* about their subject before putting fingers to computer keyboard.


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